How to use tokens in Community Pools


#1

Hello, Everyone!

After IRIS mainnet launched, we already have total about 1 million IRIS in community pool. The purpose of community tax is to help to build a better community. therefore , I would like to submit a proposal to use these tokens. I have two alternative suggestions: 1, burn it to reduce total supply, 2, evenly distribute to active addresses. any other suggestions?

Also, what’s active address? Let’s say, an address has 3+ tx and 1+ vote in 6 month.

大家好,

至IRIS主网上线以来,我们的社区池已经收了大约100万的IRIS,社区池的建立主要是用来建设一个更好的社区,因此,我想提交一个提案来花这笔钱。我有两个思路:1,销毁,减少总发行。2,均分给所有活跃地址。大家还有什么意见吗?

另外,怎么定义活跃地址呢? 这个地址必须是6个月以内有3+txs和1+投票


#2

Good suggestions, and I support the second suggestion.
By the way, I don’t think it should be evenly distributed. May be distributed in proportion to the account balance or the voting amount is a good idea.


#3

能到比特股钱包里做做市么?想买都没卖的。https://bts.ai/market/GDEX.IRIS_BTS


#4

Good suggestions, and I support the second suggestion.
By the way, I don’t think it should be evenly distributed. May be distributed in proportion to the account balance or the voting amount is a good idea.


#5
  1. 用于做活动分发币,扩大持币人数。真本聪可以协助做微博抽奖洒币活动!

#6

还是建议发给在过去活跃的用户吧,包括验证人和质押的用户,激励一下嘛,不过得有一个截止统计时间,不然会有褥羊毛的,销毁的话就不会有什么激励效果。


#7

社区基金建议用于社区活动,可以找真实用户多的社区平台联合活动,比如币乎,用于扩大真实持币人数。

The community fund is recommended for community activities. Here I suggest IRIS cooperate with other content/news platform with huge KYC users for joint activities, such as bihu.com, to enlarge the number of real holders.


#8

Hi guys, David from Cosmostation here. We are in support of evenly distributing the accumulated IRIS in the community pool among validators.


#9

我整合了爱好者社区里面的讨论和用户建议,分享出来,大家讨论一下:

【故事背景】:现在有100万IRIS,社区需要给个建议,怎么花掉/销毁它。站在整个社区生态发展和网络推进的角度出发,我们总结里以下方案。

1、销毁!100万全销毁,可以制造一个热点新闻,但是覆盖面有限,而且数量有限,对币价以及项目知名度推进本身缺乏一定的影响。

2、均分!此方案不可取,因为没法保证公平性和防止羊毛党,反而倒头来得不偿失,不吃羊肉反惹一身骚。

3、社区生态+技术发展奖励。
社区生态:对网络上的产品和项目,进行定向单方面的设立设置,如:Rainbow钱包的下载率、使用率,Bianjie节点的委托率,项目其他产品的具体数据,进行定向推广奖金设计,从而扩大项目知名度和产品覆盖。需要注意的是活动的设置需要防止过分单一的考核,以免被羊毛党有机可乘。其次建议结合抽奖+平均奖励的模式,从而实现雨露均沾的同时,做到惊喜期待的效果,马上春节了,可以组织一波。

技术发展:可以对过去一年的社区生态建设方面的产品、优质节点,以及技术开发者设置奖励空投,或者下阶段进行马拉松活动。而从分提高开发者积极性保驾护航,与此同时,奖励设置建议为分阶段性的,让奖励可以持续推进。

后面继续补充。


#10

I support option 1 , burn.


#11

Hello , we support second suggestion. An address is considered active if it performed more than 3 transactions and received more than one vote in the last 6 months. Is that what you meant ?


#12

@inchain_works Yup, that’s what I suggested, what’s your opinion?

I don’t think proportional distribution is good or fair. Because the big whales earned too much. I think even distribution is fairer.

我觉的大户赚的太多,应该多分一点给小散户。如果大家觉要防止羊毛党的话,可以想想怎么定义活跃账户。 只要定义好了,问题就解决了。


#13

@liangping Yes we completely agree with an even distribution among active addresses.


#14

type TaxUsage struct {
Usage UsageType json:"usage"
DestAddress sdk.AccAddress json:"dest_address"
Percent sdk.Dec json:"percent"}

We can choose the percentage of the IRIS pool to use. So I suggest just burn 50% and leave other 50% for airdrop to validators to subsidy them under current bear market.
我们可以选择IRIS基金池的使用百分比。所以我建议就销毁一半,另外一半分配给验证人,在现在市场环境不好的时候补贴验证人收益。


#15

看了大家的一些意见,提出一个剩下的币的分配方案,欢迎大家讨论。

首先是已经被Ping大佬提过的销毁一半的计划。剩下还有一半。这一半我比较赞同SickleZhang的意见,还是在获取活跃的用户之间分配。我们可以通过统计从主网上线以来的所有地址的交易数(包括提案数,领取收益以及抵押次数),给这些活跃的地址分配奖励。为了避免按照薅羊毛,建议统计截止时间到2019/12/31。为了避免按照按比例分配和平均分配都有各种不公平的现象,建议按照等级分。给活跃度排名,例如活跃度前一百名奖励都是1000iris,100-200名的都是800iris,等等。这样既减少了了大户持币多,分给他们的奖励特别多的马太效应,也减少了一个用户多个地址的现象。(以上数据只是一个做例子的数据,不代表实际建议数据,实际数据到时候根据调研再确定)

另外,除此之外,看到中本聪的想法,我觉得也是一个好方法,可以进行微博抽奖撒币,除了微博还有iris爱好者社区等一些活跃社区进行抽奖等活动,将基金资金池我建议,50%销毁,35%在活跃地址中分配,15%给予社区共建者活动

After reading some of your opinions, I propose a distribution plan for the remaining tokens, and everyone is welcome to discuss it.

The first plan is to destroy half of the tokens in the community pool which Mr.Ping has already submitted. There are still half of the tokens left in the pool. For those remaining tokens, I agree with SickleZhang’s opinion, dividing them with active users. We can allocate those rewards to active addresses by ranking the transactions from the highest to the lowest for all addresses (including numbers of votes for proposals, withdraws, and delegations) since the launch of mainnet. To avoid speculation, it is recommended to count the number of transactions until 2019/12/31. To avoid unfairness due to proportional distribution and equal distribution, it is recommended to divide by a hierarchy. The first 100 addresses will get 1000 IRIS reward, the next 100 addresses will get 800 IRIS reward; then the following 100 addresses will get 600 IRIS until distributing that 70 % of the IRIS in the pool. This method not only reduces the Matthew effect of large delegators obtaining more rewards but also reduces the phenomenon of one user controlling multiple addresses. (The above data is only an example and does not represent the actual data. The accurate data will be determined based on the investigation.)

Besides, according to the ideas from other communities, a lucky draw is recommended, 50% burn, 35% allocation to active addresses, 15% for a lucky draw.


#16

I think the aim of these tokens is to develop the Community environment. Up to now, iris haven’t organized some development activity in the application area. The tokens could use to organize one
development Hackathon(like cosmos). It may be good for developer to know about the feature of IRIS, and enlarge the developing community.


#17

I am wondering if a distribution like this makes sense or maybe I am simply confused by the definition of ‘active address’ in this context (my assumption is that all transactions are used in the proposed ranking).

The number of transactions is not necessarily a good measure of active users or representative of network contributions. For example, a script that runs daily to automatically withdraw rewards and re-delegate those rewards. Not that this bad by any means; in fact, it is an ideal, efficient, and smart thing to do, but is it representative of how these tokens should be allocated is my question. Especially when noting that the reward amounts are certainly appreciable but probably short of funding any sort of community-related projects.

Perhaps we simply put together a short list of projects that have made contributions within the ecosystem and distribute the rewards among them (or to the top as decided via gov proposal). Just a thought but it is my view that the end result here would be more tangible network wide. Or maybe just give the development team a bonus for all of the hard work :slight_smile:

Cheers


#18

Iris has 4% Inflation per year, in which 2% will go directely into the community pool. I suggest most of the reward pool should reward to the validators who are continuously contribute to the IRIS ecosystem.

Wetez do not agree to the giveaway proposal, it is realy hard to define a “active” address.


#19

I agree with wetez and Appeal2Heaven, the community funds should go to community related activities and developments, not for giveaways.


#20

The community pool should be for encouraging the development of the ecosystem. If we burn to regulate the token market price, why don’t we just burn them all? Currently, the amount in the community pool is not that much and I believe it won’t affect too much on the market value of IRIS even if we burn them all.

And we strongly disagree with distributing the funds to the validators. Validators are not here to grab money by turning on a machine. If any validators or community members would like to get the funds, please show the community how you would like to contribute and grow IRIS.

Instead if we save more in the community pool, and we start thinking how they can be used for long term community support now, the value generated will be more than we can imagine.

社區儲備應該用作支持和鼓勵生態發展。若果希望燒毁以平衡 IRIS 的市場價格,為何不把它全部燒毁?何況現在數量不算很多,我相信就算把它們完全燒毁,價格影響的效果將不會很大。

我們同時反對把社區儲備分發給驗證人。驗證人不是開著機器然後在裡這拿錢的。不論是驗證人或者社區裡任何一個用戶希望得到社區儲備,他們可以向社區提出他們會如何建設和推動 IRIS 的發展。

相反,若果我們繼續儲起更多的社區儲備,同時我們開始討論應該如何運用到社區裡,將來衍生出來的價值將會更大。